Danny Klingler, who once pledged his entire stimulus check to save the Meiner Flats building at , is leading a new group looking to do even more to preserve Over-the-Rhine's built environment for future generations.
Alerted by Over-the-Rhine Foundation executive director Mike Morgan last September of the numerous neighborhood buildings in "emergency" status – declared nuisances and on their way to demolition – the group has been holding hearings in front of Cincinnati City Council's Vibrant Neighborhoods Committee in an attempt to convince council of what they consider a serious threat to the City's future.
So far, two hearings have been held to outline what the loss of more buildings would mean, and what kind of solutions or policy changes could end it.
"My goal this time around is to garner sufficient support from citizens, residents, and OTR lovers to be able to pressure the City not to tear these buildings down," Klingler says. "Right now they are hovering way below the radar and yet I think if people knew, they would be upset."
A tipping point
A survey and thesis written by Klingler a couple of years ago show that much of the neighborhood's urban fabric has been lost since 1930, and he believes the neighborhood is at a tipping point.
Many of the buildings are in the Findlay Market and Vine/McMicken areas.
"Three of them are located within important stretches that still have a lot of integrity and a nice street wall," Klingler says. To lose all of these buildings would be a significant hit to the neighborhood in my opinion, because much of this area has reached a tipping point where any further demolitions and gaps in the fabric will really harm the unique feel of OTR."
To Klingler, it seems like the majority of Cincinnatians have no clue what a gem they have, right in their backyard.
"I think if people knew that one of the world's most renowned travel experts came to OTR and said that it 'could literally rival similar prosperous and heavily visited areas', that could help support the effort to preserve buildings," he says. "If people would only realize that OTR is among only a handful of truly unique, intact districts in the U.S....."
'It's a feeling of loss'
With the preservation initiative in full swing, one of the buildings, 57 E Clifton Avenue, was demolished.
"I felt helpless, almost sick," Klingler says. "It was horrible. It's a feeling of loss."
That event only served to sharpen Klingler's focus.
"I was pretty bummed out, but more determined than ever to get our city's aggressive demolition policies changed, and to save the other buildings."
So why have there been so many demolitions?
"There are several answers to this question," Klingler says. "Fundamentally, it's because the city has an obligation to look out for public safety, so if a building deteriorates to the point where they feel it is a threat to public safety, they tear it down. The reason buildings deteriorate to that level is they're owned by speculators, investors, and other assholes who choose not to maintain them, and know that they can often get away with it. The city tries to prosecute them, but it's difficult and complicated. But one of the overarching reasons for demolition is that politically, and as a city, we don't value OTR the way we should; we don't know what we have."
Better returns for the money
"Emergency demolition" means that the City will step in and tear a building down, then place a lien against the owner.
Typically, the City only receives a 10 percent payback on its liens.
Klingler believes that his group has a better idea, which has been shown to be successful.
"What we were able to do with Meiner Flats was to get the city to agree to take that demo money and use it toward stabilizing the building," he says. "There's no reason we couldn't do that with these buildings, and with others in the future."
In addition to presenting the economic value of a preserved Over-the-Rhine and convincing council of the imminent threat, the group would like to see a receivership program implemented.
"That would fund a non-profit to force owners to maintain their properties or lose them," Klingler says. "We had such a program in OTR ten years ago, and it led to many many buildings being saved, buildings that we now take for granted."
Slowed, but not stopped
Due to budget limitations and a shift in attitudes, demolitions in Over-the-Rhine have decreased recently, Klingler says.
"I will say that the rate of emergency demolitions has slowed quite a bit, and credit to B&I for that," he says. "They're looking for alternatives and trying not to demolish buildings. Meiner Flats was a prime example. But, at the same time, we've seen an increase in the demolitions due to non-profits."
One non-profit, which Klingler doesn't name, owns several buildings on Walnut north of Liberty Street.
Klingler says that it's is actively petitioning the City to tear the buildings down.
"Non-profits are particularly dangerous because the historic regulations are much less strict when applied to them," he says. "In short, there are a whole bunch of buildings that could legitimately be classified as endangered."
Building support
"We started working with a small coalition of five people from OTR Foundation and Cincinnati Preservation Association to prepare a presentation for council, and to garner support," Klingler says. "We met with Steve Leeper, who vouched 3CDC's support, and have been collecting letters of support from different organizations."
Klingler says that he would be receptive to putting together a community meeting to provide more information and to enlist support.
"If enough awareness can be raised and turned into a bit of outrage and public pressure, the City just might relent in their hastiness to take these buildings down," he says. "There's also still a little pot of money left over from the Meiner Flats pledge campaign, which I'm thinking about using to get a second opinion on the buildings from a reputable structural engineer. Often a second opinion leads to a completely different prognosis for a building."
Other possibilities include the use of websites, blogs, and social media to get the word out, but Klingler says that older modes of communication can work just as well.
"I'd encourage them to sign a letter of support for the preservation efforts that are underway, and even to come to one of the council meetings where these issues are being discussed," he says. "There's nothing like the power of numbers to spur council to action."
If unsuccessful?
"If we're not successful with this, we are almost guaranteed to lose a lot of important buildings," Klingler says. I think I also mentioned to you that we're working on an economic impact study that will be the first real study of OTR's economic impact on the city. It will consider everything from employment, to construction activity, to the influx of young professionals, to the impact of tourism from events like Bockfest, Brewery Tours, and the Symphony, et cetera."
A third and final meeting before the Vibrant Neighborhoods Committee is tentatively scheduled for July, when the group will unveil its recommendations and proposals, including an economic impact study that will consider the neighborhood's true impact on the City – from employment, to construction activity, to tourism.
"That's the big one," Klingler says.
57 E Clifton Avenue demolition photos courtesy of Danny Klingler.
Previous reading on BC:
What becomes of Meiner Flats donations? (9/23/08)
Cincinnati approves $187K for Meiner Flats stabilization agreement (9/18/08)
City considers $187,000 for Meiner Flats stabilization (9/2/08)
New Meiner Flats blog to aid in preservation effort (5/7/08)
Preservation Magazine spotlights Meiner Flats (5/1/08)
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
Group petitioning council to stop Over-the-Rhine demolitions
Posted by Kevin LeMaster at 5:10 AM
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"speculators, investors, and other assholes"
Hahaha, nice article.
This is a very very important issue that deserves the attention of everyone in the city. OTR is one of Cincinnati's only unique features anymore and to lose it because of senseless and expensive demolitions would be an absolute shame.
There's so many more benefits to saving a building for rehab than tearing it down and starting over that we need to make it a priority in city policy.
As pointed out in the post, many people from all over the world come to OTR and marvel at its intact, beautiful late 19th century buildings that can not be found else where in such large numbers. We have a historical gem that needs to be preserved for the sake of history if nothing else. No where else in the world will you find such an intact large example of late 19th century urban living as you will in OTR. This is a fact that can no longer be ignored.
The Freestore wants more demolition around it's warehouse because it's leadership does not like Over the Rhine or historic buildings.
"The Freestore wants more demolition around it's warehouse because it's leadership does not like Over the Rhine or historic buildings."
I'm not sure it is that simple, but they do have a terrible outlook on historic preservation. Seems they epitomize the typical "do gooder" attitude like our buddies over a Pogue VOA or CityLink
this is great news. i really hope they can make some headway!
OTR could be a major souce of revenue generated by historic tourism much like Charleston SC or New Orleans, but we have to stop the demolition.
There are 20 houses in my neighborhood with VBML or condemn orders and very few of them have structural issues. We can likely find buyers for them as there is 1.2 Million in restoration going on this summer between about 10 people in our neighbohood right now. But we have to stop the demolitions plain and simple. We can turn our neighborhood around but right now the city is the problem.
Just caught part of the 2nd presentation. Pretty compelling and names were named, especially Cincinnati Public Schools.
these guys really seem to be doing their homework. Hope it pays off.
Mike Morgan hinted at a presentation about Findlay Market and the 'greening' of the Brewery district area that there was one developer in particular who has torn down a large number of buildings in OTR.... anyone know who it is?
Also, Paul, where are the structures that your are referring to? just curious...
I'm not entirely clear on the Meiner flats building's history - but I think that much of the hesitation from the city to dedicate the funds to stabilization in lieu of demolition, is that it might seem like a band-aid fix. If no one develops the property, than the city is in the same position 3 years later after the stabilation efforts begin to wear away. In order to make the case, you must prove that there is a solid plan to develop the property soon - and that devoting the money to stabilization is not a waste. Getting a group like 3cdc behind the building, or some other larger entity with a good track record would help prove that if the money can be transferred, it will be a good investment.
Best of luck!!!!
I in full support of the language mentioning using funds slated for demos to be used for stabilization.
I also want to promote ownership in general. In other words, the "uniqueness" of OTR should not be the only reason to pull out all stops. Housing and home ownership in general is vital especially in a city which ranks last. So lets all rise up against development where vital single family homes are razed as is the case along the I71 corridor. There should be incentives offered to these developers to develop actual blighted areas such as brownfields. Enough profit taking based on ability to commandeer coveted areas!
I feel led to summarize: The "tipping point" mentioning of OTR sights shows it may NOW not be viable. Some/many therefore say let it be razed. The coveted I71 corridor (because it's valued) is in an opposite fashion, unwisely developed and as in the OTR case, razing occurs. Neither one should have these viable housing units razed. Have we not learned?
Urbandrift , I live over in Fairmount in an area called Knox Hill ours on VBML or condemn are all on Fairmount and Knox and a few on side streets.
My point is that this is not only happening in OTR but in Fairmount, Westwood, Price Hill. a good 20 percent of the housing stock has been demoed. It is a "Blight+Bulldoze" mentality and a failed urban planning model most cities have wisely abandoned.
As someone who is looking in OTR for a commercial building to restore for my business I can tell you its harder than you would think to find a building. Prices are either outrageous, considering their condition OR they have a VBML or condemn order against them making restoration a sea of city paperwork.
Many buildings have major issues caused by "remuddling' where I've seen load bearing beams removed or property gutted of all historic interior woodwork.
Ive been looking for a building in OTR for year now. A couple of times I found something only to find impossible to clear liens or the "owner/investor type' backs out because they figure if someone is interested the building HAS to be worth so much more.
It is VERY frustrating.
would be much easier with metro government
don't shoot me I'm the messenger
Are all the buildings pictured, except the one in pieces, all slated for demolition?
Does the city or county or someone photograph every building that has been demolished in OTR?
Has it ever been considered to make OTR a car free zone? Build garages specifically for residents/visitors just outside the limits with shuttles or on a street car line. Have taxis.
Eventually OTR will be self supportive with everything one needs within walking distance - like it used to be and cars would not be all that necessary. The blacktop could be taken off to expose the cobble-stone pavement, which could be done even now. And most importantly, new construction and renovation would not have to include garages or parking (does it have to now?). - just a few thoughts.
^^ No, but they are headed that way.
The first one pictured is definitely slated for demolition (1914 Vine). The others just looked bad. Several "emergency" ones I wanted to get but couldn't due to menacing drug dealers, lighting issues, or being blocked by street trees.
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